{"id":743,"date":"2010-09-13T18:34:23","date_gmt":"2010-09-13T18:34:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blografia.net\/vicm3\/?p=743"},"modified":"2010-11-04T15:23:41","modified_gmt":"2010-11-04T21:23:41","slug":"the-lifecycle-of-mailinglists","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blografia.net\/vicm3\/2010\/09\/the-lifecycle-of-mailinglists\/","title":{"rendered":"The lifecycle of (mailing)lists"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Originally Posted to Gleason Sackman&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/scout.cs.wisc.edu\/scout\/net-hap\/index.html\">Net-Happenings<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 07:07:16 -0600<br \/>\nFrom: Mike Gurstein <mikeg@nywork2.undp.org><br \/>\nTo: Multiple recipients of list <futurework@csf.colorado.edu><br \/>\nSubject: Fwd: Life cycle of Lists (fwd)<br \/>\n&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br \/>\nForwarded message:<br \/>\nFrom: mforster@findhorn.org (Michael Forster)<br \/>\nTo: communitarians@civic.net<br \/>\nDate: 95-03-31 07:57:23 EST<\/p>\n<p>This seemed like a good time to post this item from the Humor List.<br \/>\nMichael Forster<\/p>\n<p>THE NATURAL LIFE CYCLE OF MAILING LISTS<\/p>\n<p>Every list seems to go through the same cycle:<\/p>\n<p>1. Initial enthusiasm (people introduce themselves, and gush a lot about how wonderful it is to find kindred souls).<\/p>\n<p>2. Evangelism (people moan about how few folks are posting to the list, and brainstorm recruitment strategies).<\/p>\n<p>3. Growth (more and more people join, more and more lengthy threads develop, occasional off-topic threads pop up)<\/p>\n<p>4. Community (lots of threads, some more relevant than others; lots of information and advice is exchanged; experts help other experts as well as less experienced colleagues; friendships develop; people tease each other; newcomers are welcomed with generosity and patience; everyone&#8212;newbie and expert alike&#8212;feels comfortable asking questions, suggesting answers, and sharing opinions)<\/p>\n<p>5. Discomfort with diversity (the number of messages increases dramatically; not every thread is fascinating to every reader; people start complaining about the signal-to-noise ratio; person 1 threatens to quit if *other* people don&#8217;t limit discussion to person 1&#8217;s pet topic; person 2 agrees with person 1; person 3 tells 1 &#038; 2 to lighten up; more bandwidth is wasted complaining about off-topic threads than is used for the threads themselves; everyone gets annoyed)<\/p>\n<p>6a. Smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame everyone who asks an &#8216;old&#8217; question or responds with humor to a serious post; newbies are rebuffed; traffic drops to a doze-producing level of a few minor issues; all interesting discussions happen by private email and are limited to a few participants; the purists spend lots of time self-righteously congratulating each other on keeping off-topic threads off the list)<\/p>\n<p>OR<\/p>\n<p>6b. Maturity (a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the participants stay near stage 4, with stage 5 popping up briefly every few weeks; many people wear out their second or third &#8216;delete&#8217; key, but the list lives contentedly ever after) <\/p>\n<p>&#8212;-<\/p>\n<p>From time to time I use more or less this very good summary of the list\/forum\/community to explain to more than one newcomer why there is a hype about something a very good time and then the abandon of it the best source that preserves it&#8217;s probably the first hit on google searching for <a href=\"http:\/\/oii.org\/lists\/lifecycle.html\">list lifecycle<\/a> I originally read it on a book about managing lists with majordomo around 2000 lots of things had happened but the majority of the reflexion keeps working, even when in their time was a humor post.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Originally Posted to Gleason Sackman&#8217;s Net-Happenings Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 07:07:16 -0600 From: Mike Gurstein To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Fwd: Life cycle of Lists (fwd) &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212; Forwarded message: From: mforster@findhorn.org (Michael Forster) To: communitarians@civic.net Date: 95-03-31 07:57:23 &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/blografia.net\/vicm3\/2010\/09\/the-lifecycle-of-mailinglists\/\">Sigue leyendo <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"jetpack_seo_schema_type":"","_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-743","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-sin-categoria"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":710,"url":"https:\/\/blografia.net\/vicm3\/2010\/01\/how-to-help-someone-use-a-computer\/","url_meta":{"origin":743,"position":0},"title":"How to help someone use a computer.","author":"vicm3","date":"26 enero, 2010","format":false,"excerpt":"Computer people are generally fine human beings, but nonetheless they do a lot of inadvertent harm in the ways they \"help\" other people with their computer problems. 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